Books by Jay Guin

HSRGThe Holy Spirit and Revolutionary Grace: God’s antidotes for division within the Churches of Christa study in the indwelling Spirit and the assurance of our salvation (PowerPoint version)

Do We Teach Another Gospel?–Are the Churches of Christ guilty of the Galatian heresy? Takes The Holy Spirit and Revolutionary Grace deeper. (PowerPoint version)

Born of Water–Arguments pro and con as to whether baptism is essential to our salvation

Buried Talents–on the role of women

But If You Do Marry – A new look at divorce and remarriage

13 Responses

  1. Please email me Part 1- The baptists evolving view of Baptism. thank you. 4/15/2009

  2. Hello Jay,

    In But If You Do Marry, you wrote that divorce is a sin. I am curious about divorce being a sin or the heart that leads to divorce (result of sin). Help me understand the following:

    Jeremiah 3:8 (New American Standard Bible)

    8″And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also.

    With simple gratitude,

  3. Since you have discussed divorce as a sin, I have a question that I either get a stupid answer or no answer at all from pastors. Why did God allow the kings of Israel to have many wives, many concubines and slaves at their disposal to satisfy their sexual lust? Kings that I know for a fact from reading the old testament scriptures, were Saul, David, Solomon, Abijah. There are more of course but for this particular question I included these. Keep in mind the 10 commandments and Jewish law as well as the priesthood was in play, while God allowed this.

  4. Heavenbound,

    Polygamy was permitted in the OT. Therefore, having a harem was not adultery and not a sin.

  5. Thanks Jay for being truthful and right on and to the point…..

  6. Deuteronomy gives specific commands to Kings:

    Deuteronomy 17:14 “When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;”

    One is this:

    Deuteronomy 17:17 “Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.”

    Having a herem IS a SIN and was in the Old Testament too. Saul, David, Solomon and company just didn’t care.

    Either that, or as scholars tend to think today, either Deuteronomy was written post-Solomon or interpolated post-Solomon to include injunctions against kings doing what Solomon had done, in 17:16 “he shall not multiply horses to himself,” and 17:17 “Neither shall he multiply wives to himself.”

    But if you can’t stomach an errant Bible that God allows to be interpolated later on, then you’re going to have to view polygamy as having been a sin from the beginning of the Mosaic law, at least for kings.

    Verse 18 also commands the king to make a hand copy of the Law.

  7. Hey Jay,

    Gonna pester you with another lingering question. In “Another Gospel”, this is what you say on pg. 17 in regards to 2 Cor:

    QUOTE
    In short, Paul says the gospel is “Jesus Christ as Lord.” Now this is a critical
    point, because it ties “repent” and “faith” together as one. When we “repent” we accept
    Jesus as Lord. When we make Jesus our Lord, we commit to serve him, to obey his
    commands, to do his will. In other words, faith and repentance are two sides of the same
    coin.
    END QUOTE

    Since I started reading your books and blog four months ago, I’ve seen you say this on several occasions. What I take from it is that you are saying faith and repentance are the same thing?

    Can you link me to where you written on this more in-depth? This makes me think that my idea of “repentance” is not the same as yours. I’ve always thought repenting was basically the “say you are sorry, and not going to go back to that way/lifestyle”.

    As I said, links are fine. I don’t want you to re-explain something you’ve explained before.

  8. Last question for the day! 🙂

    I’ve not been able to find anything that backs up your definition of ‘liberal.’ I’ve seen you define it as (paraphrase, correct if i’m wrong), “not accepting the divinity of Jesus.” And you’ve stated that due to that definition, it is a horrible slander. But I believe you said it was an accurate description of the Disciples Of Christ for some reason.

    Anyways, I’ve researched the word and can find nothing to back up your definition. Any links?

    Thanks again, Jon

  9. JMF,

    Try these —

    http://www.theisticevolution.org/labels.html

    http://www.proteuscoven.org/proteus/Libtheol.htm

    http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/438-when-infidelity-fashions-faith

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_disc1.htm

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_disc3.htm

    http://religiousliberal.blogspot.com/

    http://www.equip.org/articles/the-churches-of-christ-the-christian-churches-the-disciples-of-christ-

    In short, “liberal” theology properly refers to Christians like Bultmann who deny miracles, the resurrection, and inspiration.

    The use of “liberal” to refer to those who accept instrumental music is often an intentional effort to lump instrumentalists in with the true liberals.

    For example, http://www.getwellchurchofchrist.org/articles/article0219.html

    As to the Disciples of Christ, the liberalism is most pronounced at the national level. Many congregations are not liberal at all in the true sense of the word, but the headquarters is quite so.

  10. Thanks Jay,

    I appreciate the links. Slide up a couple more posts and I asked you another question about faith and repentance. If you can provide some links, that would be great.

    Thanks, jmf

  11. JMF,

    I take my definition of “repentance” from two sources: Heb 6:4-6 and Acts. I’ve cited the Acts verses several times. Everyone except Peter’s rebuke of Simon Magus speaks in terms of turning toward God or Jesus, not in terms of repenting from particular sins.

    And I take my definition from Acts 2:38 and our familiar 5 Steps plan of salvation. We (and Peter) use “repent” to mean to turn away from a life of sin and toward a life in submission to Jesus as Lord.

    I see no difference between “I’m going back to the old life” and “I’m committing to the new life” so long as we understand the new life as submission to Jesus as Lord.

  12. ” johnny, on March 2, 2010 at 10:08 pm Said:

    Deuteronomy gives specific commands to Kings:

    Deuteronomy 17:14 “When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;”

    One is this:

    Deuteronomy 17:17 “Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.”

    Having a harem IS a SIN and was in the Old Testament too. Saul, David, Solomon and company just didn’t care.

    Either that, or as scholars tend to think today, either Deuteronomy was written post-Solomon or interpolated post-Solomon to include injunctions against kings doing what Solomon had done, in 17:16 “he shall not multiply horses to himself,” and 17:17 “Neither shall he multiply wives to himself.”

    But if you can’t stomach an errant Bible that God allows to be interpolated later on, then you’re going to have to view polygamy as having been a sin from the beginning of the Mosaic law, at least for kings.”

    Johnny, Do you notice the reason WHY in this cited verse?

    Deuteronomy 17:17 “Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.”

    It is a warning against two things that would turn his heart from God, women from pagan religions and greed (materialism). The apparent sin in this text is not polygamy, but “being yolked with an unbeliever” and loving “mammon”.

    If there are any clear texts stating that having more than one wife is a sin, i’d like to see them as I haven’t found them yet.
    I don’t support polygamy for the simple reasons that it is illegal in most places, considered sinful, and plainly is nuts (one wife is more than enough for me, why would a guy want twice the punishment?).

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